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I don't know how you do it. I was out and around yesterday and I saw a younger woman, maybe 29-30ish, walking in tight, pointy-toed, high-heeled boots. Why do you put yourselves through this agonizing torture? And if there are benefits to it, which are difficult to imagine, how could they possibly outweigh the ridiculous pain you must go through. Am I missing something?

Fashion is folly. Although not a woman in this life (), as a person who wears plaid shirts because they don't show stains and hats so I don't have to waste time on hair, I agree entirely with you. I'm the kind of person who can be at the bus stop ten minutes after I wake up.

I have always found women less attractive when they look uncomfortable in what they're wearing. Sometimes you look at a girl and just know she wore that, whatever it may be, to be fashionable and not because she enjoys it. I heard enough girls in high school complaining about how this is too tight or that is too short or whatever to wonder forevermore why they'd subject themselves to that. A girl who looks happy in her own skin, wearing comfortable clothes that allow her natural virtues to speak for themselves is infinitely preferable to the fashion fans. Maybe that's reassuring to fashionphiles since the fashionable crowd have no interest in me either. :lol:

Track pants can be really hot. And comfortable.

fingernailsonhull Wrote:I don't know how you do it. I was out and around yesterday and I saw a younger woman, maybe 29-30ish, walking in tight, pointy-toed, high-heeled boots. Why do you put yourselves through this agonizing torture? And if there are benefits to it, which are difficult to imagine, how could they possibly outweigh the ridiculous pain you must go through. Am I missing something?

I'm sorry but I have to laugh at you. BWAHAHAHAHA :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't wear those things. I wear my cowboy boots and stay away from heels as much as possible.

Black boots are almost always in. I just wear some with a twist;-)

I actually wore them to the hip show

wore heels a total of two times in my life, both insiances i was thinking heel toe heel toe the whole time and looked about as uncomforable as could be.

Never again

3/5 girls at my school wear track pants

and now 1/5 girls wear though ridiculous looking boots

fingernailsonhull Wrote:...tight, pointy-toed, high-heeled boots. Why do you put yourselves through this agonizing torture? And if there are benefits to it...

Height.

They cause lower-back pain in later life and they are murder on the ankles. But women (whether short or not) can be boosted to a max of like 6 inches taller. Plus; we have the fashion-thing surrounding them where it would sometimes seem proper for women to wear something not unlike heels. Dinner, or theatre, or something. Mostly formal things where you won't have to be running (preferably).

I'm rambling now. Right on. :thumb:

(Ignore this next stuff cuz I'm probably not gonna say anything remotely useful due to being sleep-deprived)

I used to not give two shits about clothing or fashion but lately I've found myself right consumed by it. Maybe I read too much Cosmo or something? Or maye too much "Sex And The City"? Regardless, clothing has basic functions (cold etc.) but it also has social/psychological functions; I give off total different impressions if I wore a suit as opposed to if I wore a black hoodie and a pair of blue jeans (like now). I've watched a few fashion shows (with the skeletons on the catwalk) and can't seem to see a reason why women would want to wear the majority of those clothes in public. Most of them are just god-awful.

Men are visually aroused. The success of the porn industry catering to mostly men? Women preening in the mirror for hours? Not very many guys develop eating disorders... so it's women mostly doing what they have to do in order to compete with other women to be the Alpha female or to get the guy or something. Not very many of us like it but it's still there. I don't like the idea that we spend millions on entertainment while kids starve to death but it's still there. I can't stop it. Maybe it'll be a cumulative effort, like build up until it bursts.

I happen to like women in their natural state. I like the messy hair, no makeup, totally oblivious of what they may look like when they wake up beside me (yeah, I'm a pimp, lol) but maybe I only like this because it's a change from women with all the makeup and worry? I have no clue. I'll take it as it comes or burn that bridge or check my guage after I crash or something. Jesus.... coffee, Lord Brazle, cigarettes, lack of sleep, and an opinion at 4 a.m. do not mix. Handle with care. Contents may explode into pointless drivel.

I would submit that men do not cause so many women to have eating disorders and an overwhelming sense of vanity - other women do. Most of the guys I call friends are more attracted to, as I said before, a girl who looks happy in her own body and comfortable in her clothing. There's something so refreshing about girls who are honest that way.

No, the massive relentless appearance issues are being thrust at women from the myriad magazines that await them at the checkout counters and all the stereotypes they themselves hold about men. I do not deny that there is an unhealthy obsession with outward appearances that SOME men have, but when I look at my friends and who they chose to settle down with, who to take as wives, perfect physical attractiveness was secondary by far. Most of the guys I know, who will leer at a "hot"-dressed 19 year old, are completely different in their estimation of what makes a good woman.

I still believe women perpetuate the image crisis amongst themselves far more than men do to them. Long ago the issue of satisfying men's visual preferences was superseded by fashionability running away under its OWN momentum.

The two reasons I wear heels are
1.I'm way too short so the heels give me some height
2.Fashion Fashion Fashion

Anyway the heels that I wear aren't really pointy or uncomfortable.

I'm wearing a pair of pointed toe boots with a 3" heel - believe it or not, they are quite comfortable.

KittieKatFish Wrote:I'm wearing a pair of pointed toe boots with a 3" heel - believe it or not, they are quite comfortable.

How is that possible?

Relative to a 4" heel.

grooveless touque Wrote:I would submit that men do not cause so many women to have eating disorders and an overwhelming sense of vanity - other women do. Most of the guys I call friends are more attracted to, as I said before, a girl who looks happy in her own body and comfortable in her clothing. There's something so refreshing about girls who are honest that way.

No, the massive relentless appearance issues are being thrust at women from the myriad magazines that await them at the checkout counters and all the stereotypes they themselves hold about men. I do not deny that there is an unhealthy obsession with outward appearances that SOME men have, but when I look at my friends and who they chose to settle down with, who to take as wives, perfect physical attractiveness was secondary by far. Most of the guys I know, who will leer at a "hot"-dressed 19 year old, are completely different in their estimation of what makes a good woman.

I still believe women perpetuate the image crisis amongst themselves far more than men do to them. Long ago the issue of satisfying men's visual preferences was superseded by fashionability running away under its OWN momentum.

OY!

It is society that perpetuates the image. Also we do it to ourselves. Many of you know I'm not the perfect 10, 14 or even 20. I don't wear make up every day, I don't wear heels everyday. However, I do consider myself a 'fashion plate', like I have certain things I try to NEVER wear in public, like t-shirts sweatshirts and things like that.

I don't know how many times I have seen a woman on TV or on the street and said "boy she's got a body I'd kill for". I like a 'thin' or 'normal' body but hey, I don't think I'll ever get to be a size 12.

We are always getting bombarded with commercials that say "lose weight, lose weight, lose weight, lose weight". I don't know if it's an american thing or not but it seems like there are fewer commercials like that on Canadian TV. I get upset about the body I'm in but I'm trying. I of course need to for medical reasons.

Society tells us, at least here, it's not ok to be fat. I've heard people making fun of me even at my age. People MY OWN AGE! I was once at an Expos game and this guy said to another guy "hey look at this" and pointed to me. I made sure to give him a dirty look.

Image is really a hot button issue with me and if anyone wants to read my blog rant about being overweight in today's society just PM me.

I wore a pair of black pointy-toed boots with a five inch heel to the CP show.
Why? Two reasons:

1. Height

My favorite jeans are too long and when I wear my short boots, the pantlegs drag on the ground.

2. Stupidity

I admit, this was not a great choice of footwear for a night of standing and a day of wandering around upstate New York.


There was an upside though. By the time The Hip took the stage for the first encore, my feet were so numb I couldn't feel all the pushy people stepping on my toes. Also, they helped me snag the setlist, as I ended up being a few inches taller than the others who were vying for it. While they had to strain to reach it, I simply leaned over and grabbed it as it fell.

Ah, sensibility. Sometimes a "lack thereof" comes in handy.

:lol:

I don't know, Neil... part of your post makes perfect sense to me but the other part seems like you're only saying it in fear of propagating society's sick sense of ideal. I'm not in total disagreement with ya though...

grooveless touque Wrote:I would submit that men do not cause so many women to have eating disorders and an overwhelming sense of vanity - other women do.

This could be argued that it's BECAUSE of men. I have seen women in their "natural condition" (long story, lol, but I'm not gay and we'll leave it at that) and the majority of them aren't as competive about hooking up with men as us guys are with hooking up with women. If anything, women are more like a team-effort as opposed to "every man for himself". And the ladies on here know what I'm talking about... and some of the guys probably do too.

grooveless touque Wrote:No, the massive relentless appearance issues are being thrust at women from the myriad magazines that await them at the checkout counters and all the stereotypes they themselves hold about men.

But what would the cause for these magazines be?
Why do they even make money?

grooveless touque Wrote:I still believe women perpetuate the image crisis amongst themselves far more than men do to them. Long ago the issue of satisfying men's visual preferences was superseded by fashionability running away under its OWN momentum.

cratch: I don't know about that.

To say that it's women primarily instead of men that encourage it would be quite the stretch. (RE what I said above). Plus, the machine does not have unnecessary parts. Even the most vile and ugly of actions in this society are for a reason or because another part's reason caused such a reason, etc. And this funnels into everything; prostitution, the homeless, bank-robbers. All these things, albeit bad things, exist for some reason or another. So I wouldn't go so far as to say the reason "fashionability" still exists has long since died or "fashionability" itself would have died.

thipfan73 Wrote:It is society that perpetuates the image.

But as members of society, it is us that ultimately perpetuates.

thipfan73 Wrote:I don't know how many times I have seen a woman on TV or on the street and said "boy she's got a body I'd kill for". I like a 'thin' or 'normal' body but hey, I don't think I'll ever get to be a size 12.

We are always getting bombarded with commercials that say "lose weight, lose weight, lose weight, lose weight". I don't know if it's an american thing or not but it seems like there are fewer commercials like that on Canadian TV. I get upset about the body I'm in but I'm trying. I of course need to for medical reasons.

Society tells us, at least here, it's not ok to be fat. I've heard people making fun of me even at my age. People MY OWN AGE! I was once at an Expos game and this guy said to another guy "hey look at this" and pointed to me. I made sure to give him a dirty look.

Image is really a hot button issue with me and if anyone wants to read my blog rant about being overweight in today's society just PM me.

Wendy, it is perfectly simple. If I can do it, anybody can. My childhood is the primary reason I spend hours in the bathroom. And I'm a guy. I got teased and it just made me tough. It broke the hell out of me at first... but where once was a shed, stands a fortress. After I finally put my mind to it, I look back now and think "Why didn't I do it before? It's so simple!"

The thing is I eat whatever I want. Literally. Chips, grease, chloresterol until my eyes fill up with fat. All ya gotta do is just use up the energy you put in.

We have talked on numerous occasions and I know you somewhat well enough to tell you that you can be a 12... an 8... even a 6. It's incredibly simple once you get the hang of it. Yeah, I'll admit, the less calories you eat the easier it is but once you get there, you can literally eat anything and just burn it off cuz the act of burning it off is made easier. I have faith in you Wendy.

It might sound weird, stupid or incredibly creepy but I know you could do it. :thumb:

Now I've typed until my head hurt from the clacking of keys.

Stick a fork in me cuz I'm done.