You decide..
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It's pretty interesting..
interesting but i guess no one can make anymore new music because someone else has already had the same chord progression in their song
so enjoy the music you have because there will be no new music ever again
ron Wrote:interesting but i guess no one can make anymore new music because someone else has already had the same chord progression in their song
so enjoy the music you have because there will be no new music ever again
I'm gonna disagree with you on this one..
I mean, should I just slit my wrists now?
Of course there is new music - variations, same flavors - yes there is new music, as long as we don't get lazy and apathetic...
.. that is either a HUGE oversite of a band which should embarass them to no end. This is Tom Petty and the Peppers we're talking about, not some obscure musician..or Nickleback
DOH!
There can be similarites between songs, but this is just rediculous.
that is crazy how exact they are, i bet they didn't even know it when they recorded it.(i guess it takes a liitle extra work to fill 2 cds) although the foo fighters did an excellent job.
i remember a while back the stones had a hit coming out when jagger's daughter said wow that sounds like some rap song. they listened to the rap song and realized it was the same tune, so they ended up giving the rapper a credit and they even remixed with them. :oops:
smg333 Wrote:i remember a while back the stones had a hit coming out when jagger's daughter said wow that sounds like some rap song. they listened to the rap song and realized it was the same tune, so they ended up giving the rapper a credit and they even remixed with them. :oops:
The song was "Anybody Seen My Baby" and they had to give k.d. lang partial songwriting credit because the chorus sounded similar to her song "Constant Craving".
So much to comment on....
How valuable is "originality" in popular music? What criteria make something "original?" Does this doctrine of "originality" benefit music fans? How similar are these songs, really? And should you trust a radio DJ (with the exception of our very own Opiated) with anything more complex than a pair of children's scissors?
Let's do the last one first: the answer is no. The radio station presents one four-bar musical phrase, once without lyrics and once with lyrics, and compares it to a similar phrase in the Petty song. Why aren't they playing the rest of the song for us? And shouldn't we smell a rat when they make a desperate attempt to suggest that the lyrics, too, are a ripoff?
The station is being manipulative in choosing those two short clips. Not only that, but they slowed the Petty clip down to match the tempo of the Chilis clip. Now, I wouldn't argue that taking something and speeding it up makes it original, but the nobody warns the audience that they'd altered the clip. The DJs even feign shock at the discovery that even the drumbeats coincide -- drumbeats that they had carefully arranged for precisely that effect.
They are, in short, dishonest little shit disturbers who fixed up the evidence to make it more convincing. Or, as we called them in kindergarten, liars.
Are the songs really that similar? They share one four-bar phrase that is almost identical. The Petty song, however, saddles up that phrase and rides it to death, where the Chili's song repeats it a couple of times and then goes elsewhere. At length. The songs are quite different, even if that phrase is almost identical.
I don't have time to scribble all my thoughts on "originality," the sacred cow of the half-witted liar in that clip, and nobody has time to read them (or the interest, I might add). So, in short:
- music has a very limited language. The scale has only 12 notes, of which most popular songs use five or six. Basic diatonic harmony offers you 7 chords; most popular songs use only 5 of them.
- anyone who talks about chord progressions as if originality is found there is a dolt; popular songs use a small number of well-worn chord progressions. There is nothing new to be found here.
- there is nothing new to say, musically speaking, using diatonic harmony, and there hasn't been for some time. The idea of "originality" in this context is superficial.
- "originality" as a criterion for music is a fairly new idea, which probably comes from the collision of recording technology, which created a demand for novelty, with the idea that popular music can be serious, which is a product of the 1960s.
- this ideology of "originality" serves people who want to steal the air. It is one thing to copyright an entire song, or a recording; it is another to assert ownership of a short musical phrase. A melodic fragment can be reinvented on the spot; to say that someone owns it stifles creativity. Can you copyright the sentence, "He ate his sandwich?"
It's ironic that music fans, who go on about the evil record companies money-sucking habits, are the same people who get excited about the idea of "originality," an idea that is used to limit the traditional vocabulary of songwriters and choke the life out of music for the sake of the almighty buck.
Longwindedly yrs,
Skip
I am way to ADD for all that
But, since they both have the same producer..shouldnt' this be addressed to the public? Curious listeners want to know!
I loved this!!
thank you!!!
I wasn't too keen on the mystery laugh thing they kept throwing in there.
ps: anyone know who it was? :-p
I think the worst case of this kind of scenario would have to be Sum 41's "Peices" ripping off Coldplay's "The Scientist". Right down to the drum fills.
Check out Matt Good's "Indestructible" and Simple Minds' "Cry".
The intro to "Mr Soul" by Neil and then listen to "Satisfaction" by the Stones. Similar guitar but I'm sure Neil didn't intentionally try to cop the Stones licks. It just happens sometimes, maybe subconciously. I don't know what to think of the Peppers and Tom Petty. It is similar but maybe that's a coincidence or maybe they are intentionally doing it. Whatever, it happens.
skippy the wonder dog Wrote:So much to comment on....
- music has a very limited language. The scale has only 12 notes, of which most popular songs use five or six. Basic diatonic harmony offers you 7 chords; most popular songs use only 5 of them.
nice post but i disagree with this part...i dont think music has a limited language but often music is limited by the inability of musicians to speak it...if you take the music of arnold schonberg, terry riley, or john adams you will see that music does not have a limited language...many musicians have a limited musical language but the best musicians expand their vocabulary (ex. the beatles, led zeppelin)
while on the subject or ripped off songs, what about that jet song are you gonna be my girl and iggy pop's lust for life....or check out neil youngs harvest moon and this old guitar ( neil young still rocks though)