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Anyone see the oscar nonsense?

could anyone make out that acceptance speech? stewart was right, how can 36 mafia have an oscar and Scorsese have none.

Call me crazy, but I thought that song deserved to win. Have you seen the movie? Aside from K-OS and some old-school Public Enemy, I'm not a big rap fan by any means. But that movie gave me a whole new perspective on what it takes to put a decent rap song together. During their acceptance speech, the show kinda turned into the MTV Awards for 20 seconds, which was a little annoying...but the song still deserved to win.


"For those of you scoring at home, that's Martin Scorsese- zero Oscars, Three 6 Mafia- one."

-Jon Stewart

what a joke that was..tell me in ten years how many people will be humming that song...it was a disgrace, and i'm not that big a fan of the oscars, but it was embarassing...i think jon stewart's giggling when he walked out on stage summed it up the best...seeing Queen latifah get that excited about it as a presenter was a bit much as well..it almost started to go down a dangerous "black power" moment if you ask me, and if a bunch of white people got that excited about dolly parton winning, it would be a controversy...

opiated Wrote:what a joke that was..tell me in ten years how many people will be humming that song...it was a disgrace, and i'm not that big a fan of the oscars, but it was embarassing...i think jon stewart's giggling when he walked out on stage summed it up the best...seeing Queen latifah get that excited about it as a presenter was a bit much as well..it almost started to go down a dangerous "black power" moment if you ask me, and if a bunch of white people got that excited about dolly parton winning, it would be a controversy...

Good point.

opiated Wrote:seeing Queen latifah get that excited about it as a presenter was a bit much as well..it almost started to go down a dangerous "black power" moment if you ask me, and if a bunch of white people got that excited about dolly parton winning, it would be a controversy...

I have to say those words don't sit well with me. Dolly Parton and her fanbase are a majority group, they're the establishment. What we saw at the Oscars was an underdog, an underdog group of minority Americans to boot, who had just shocked everybody and themselves by garnering votes from said establishment. It was a celebration of a culture, a movement, not skin colour. It was a celebration of an underdog.

I think we'll all agree that Hip Hop, when it's done right, is the modern expression of an ongoing injustice. The song, and the film it represented, were making a statement.

I liken it more to a Hippie winning in the 60's, or Elvis gaining Ed Sullivan's public okay. I was proud of them. I thought it was a signal that even the establishment can't ignore "the message" anymore.

And hey, black youth see movies too, why is it a "joke" when the music that speaks directly to and for them hits it big?

it's a joke because the song is shit...i don't care who's listening to it now, nobody will be listening in five-ten years.....and i'm not saying it's right that people would be cause a stir if the "dolly" fans had celebrated, but you know it would be brought up

Stephen Dame Wrote:It was a celebration of a culture, a movement, not skin colour. It was a celebration of an underdog.

I hope you're right, but (and, again, hopefully I'm just a cynic) I don't think you are.

Stephen Dame Wrote:Dolly Parton and her fanbase are a majority group, they're the establishment. What we saw at the Oscars was an underdog, an underdog group of minority Americans to boot, who had just shocked everybody and themselves by garnering votes from said establishment.

Ahhh yes, that evil moviemaking "establishment", long known for keeping the people down. :roll:

Stephen Dame Wrote:What we saw at the Oscars was an underdog, an underdog group of minority Americans to boot, who had just shocked everybody and themselves by garnering votes from said establishment. It was a celebration of a culture, a movement, not skin colour. It was a celebration of an underdog.....I think we'll all agree that Hip Hop, when it's done right, is the modern expression of an ongoing injustice. The song, and the film it represented, were making a statement.

But despite the fact that the culture of hip hop eminates from a minority group, the culture itself is without question now the mainstream - it domitates the market; it's en vogue. It's a culture that, despite its origins within the realm of the 'expression of social injustice', it is now mass-produced, marketed, and consumed by white America every bit as much as black America or any other color of America you want to paint.

In no way is it an "underdog" culture. It might have been an "underdog" in terms of academy recognition, but perhaps that's because it isn't truly deserving of the highest honors for pop art (as some have suggested)?

I think it was a terrible year for original songs in general, to the point where there were only three nominated. I thought traditionally there had been five, just like the other major categories.

The song from Crash put me to sleep and Dolly Parton's, sung by just about anyone else, would have been just as boring. It seems fitting that a critically acclaimed movie about the behind the scenes issues of making rap music should have an equally good original song to back it up.

I'm glad it won. It shows, if anything else, that the Academy has the ability to see beyond the latest Phil Colins penned song from a Disney movie. Besides if everyone was as excited as those three were when their name was announced, the show itself would be a better experience.

Cheers,

Pat

The Horrible Esthete Wrote:

Stephen Dame Wrote:What we saw at the Oscars was an underdog, an underdog group of minority Americans to boot, who had just shocked everybody and themselves by garnering votes from said establishment. It was a celebration of a culture, a movement, not skin colour. It was a celebration of an underdog.....I think we'll all agree that Hip Hop, when it's done right, is the modern expression of an ongoing injustice. The song, and the film it represented, were making a statement.

But despite the fact that the culture of hip hop eminates from a minority group, the culture itself is without question now the mainstream - it domitates the market; it's en vogue. It's a culture that, despite its origins within the realm of the 'expression of social injustice', it is now mass-produced, marketed, and consumed by white America every bit as much as black America or any other color of America you want to paint.

Bingo.

And the notion of social injustice has itself been coopted as part of the marketing schtick.

Awards are all about marketing, of course, so ... same old, same old, tarted up as Standing Up to the Man.

I am not a fan of rap music either, but you need to put the song in the context of the film. It is the Academy Awards after all. The song is not good on its own, but for those of us who have seen the movie, we can understand why it was nominated and why it won. It was a song written by a pimp, going through all sorts of issues and trying to make a life for himself. Rent "Hustle and Flow".

opiated Wrote:it's a joke because the song is shit...i don't care who's listening to it now, nobody will be listening in five-ten years.....

What makes you so qualified to state this? It's called "pop culture", not "long-lasting culture". It may or may not attain longevity, but that makes no difference in the context of the award they received. I don't personally like the song, but combined with the movie, it makes a powerful statement, and was deserved in winning.

Is there a rule that all songs must be "serious" or memorable? C'mon -- don't take music so seriously.

Oscars are snapshots in time, as are any awards.

I liked 36mafia's acceptance speech. Better than the chumps from Wallace & Gromit.