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Doing my research at 3 in the morning... This stuff is actually intended for my site with the lyrics and what-not but I'm gonna post the lot of it here and see what you guys can add or comment on...

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"Ruby, honey are you mad at your man?"
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KENNY PRICE
CHARLOTTE FEVER
(RCA Victor LSP 4605) '71
Produced by Ronny Light

RUBY (ARE YOU MAD)
(Cousin Emmy)
« © '53 Acuff-Rose Music »

Ruby oh Ruby honey are you mad at your man
I've done all I can do tryin' to get along with you and still you're not satisfied
Ruby oh Ruby honey are you mad at your man
I'm a sittin' in the shade with a shovel and a spade
I'm diggin' in the ground's cold mine
Ruby oh Ruby honey are you mad at your man
[ guitar ]
If you don't believe I'm right then call on me tonight
And I'll take you to your shady so cold
Ruby oh Ruby honey are you mad at your man
Honey are you mad at your man Ruby ei ei ei

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Day For Night
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"The topic of conversation: Money? Groupies? Fond memories of trashing that luxury suite in Vancouver? Nah. French cinema. Specifically, a Francois Truffaut trifle called Day For Night, which, as 500,000 Canadians know first-hand, is also the title of the latest album by The Tragically Hip. "That film is about making a film and the surreality of what goes into that," bassist Gord Sinclair is saying during a recent break in rehearsals for the band's cross-country tour"

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Francois Truffaut's 1973 film.

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Film Noir
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DFN is quite the dark and brooding album. Many emotions (some would consider negative), locked museums, Nazis, emergencies, disasters, several references to death...

Film Noir?

Greasy Jungle = Metropolis noir (dark city)
Thugs = (nuff said)
Inevitability Of Death = talks about going to Hell
Nautical Disaster = Immoral actions
Grace, Too = Features a womanizer
and the list goes on...

"The primary moods of classic film noir are melancholy, alienation, bleakness, disillusionment, disenchantment, pessimism, ambiguity, moral corruption, evil, guilt and paranoia."

"The protagonists in film noir are normally driven by their past or by human weakness to repeat former mistakes."

"Narratives are frequently complex and convoluted, typically told with flashbacks (or a series of flashbacks), and/or reflective voice-over narration."

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The Images On The DFN CD and Film Noir
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Fish ="The Raging Tide" (1951)



Does That say Fiddler's Green on it?!?!
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Knife = "The Big Knife" (1955)
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Clock = "The Big Clock" (1948)
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2 birds (Black & White) = film noirs usually in black and white however;
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Start adding more trivia to my official fabulous Day For Night thread...
Or tell me I have too muc time on my hands...

You have too much time on your hands, but thats good stuff.

Yes, too much time. But very very cool, thanks for posting.

Nice work. Thanks.

And just to save folks the time: The Truffault movie sucks... and I mean really sucks. Static, poorly-acted, boring and lacking in anything remotely involving a script. I watched it simply so I could say I did, and those are 90 minutes I'll never get back.

And as for Grace featuring a "womanizer," I've always felt it was a woman who is cheating on her husband and now "Mr. Wrong" is offereing to knock him off so they can run away together.

He comes from downtown, he's a pro. He'll make it look like an accident with will and determination, when the appearance of conflict meets the appearance of force.

Stephen Dame Wrote:And as for Grace featuring a "womanizer," I've always felt it was a woman who is cheating on her husband and now "Mr. Wrong" is offereing to knock him off so they can run away together.

He comes from downtown, he's a pro. He'll make it look like an accident with will and determination, when the appearance of conflict meets the appearance of force.

That's a pretty cool take on it. I always had the feel from it that it was some guy all pimped-up and trying to get laid. "Armed with will and determination", "I'm a total pro" and "come on, just let's go..." etc. But I can definitely see it as a hit-man. Either way, it still follows the typical film noir themes...

lord brazle Wrote:

Stephen Dame Wrote:And as for Grace featuring a "womanizer," I've always felt it was a woman who is cheating on her husband and now "Mr. Wrong" is offereing to knock him off so they can run away together.

He comes from downtown, he's a pro. He'll make it look like an accident with will and determination, when the appearance of conflict meets the appearance of force.

That's a pretty cool take on it. I always had the feel from it that it was some guy all pimped-up and trying to get laid. "Armed with will and determination", "I'm a total pro" and "come on, just let's go..." etc. But I can definitely see it as a hit-man. Either way, it still follows the typical film noir themes...

Yep. The lover/hitman motif is straight from the best and most famous film-noir of 'em all: Double Indemnity. Now that's a flick... a flick you say? Yeah, maybe I did... what's it to you, pal?

i always figured grace too was about about a prostitute...from downtown... armed with will and determination...and grace...too

The Darkest Canuck Wrote:i always figured grace too was about about a prostitute...from downtown... armed with will and determination...and grace...too

My thoughts exactly.

:thumb:

Grace Too: Sounds more like the story of Gord and his wife (Gord asking her to marry him).


1. The first verse speaks for itself.
2. "The secret rules of engagement......." engagement - engaged?
3. 3rd verse: "....Armed with skill and its frustration" - frustration of not making it in the States and having constant reminders with all the questions asked by the media.

Just my take.

Cheers.

So far we got... (in order of post)

1. A womanizer
2. A hitman and a lover
3. A prostitute
4. A marriage proposal

Holy moly. I like em all! Excellent thoughts. I like the fact that people get different impressions from the songs. Maybe it has to do with the individual that perceives it and it is meant to be ambiguous and by us saying what we think it means points to our own condition. I don't know what it is but I love hearing other people's interpretation of the songs. I listen to them with that idea in mind and it completely changes the song for me. Grace must be one of those songs...

:thumb: :thumb: :thumb:

The prostitute theme works for me. That's what I got the very first time I heard the opening lines..."I'm fabulously rich, come on, just let's go!" gives me the impression of a john cruising by in his car trying to pick up the woman. She sighs and wonders if she really wants to do it all over again tonight. Then he kills her, or tortures her...that's what I always got from the lyrics.

My take on this may sound strange but I've always pictured this as the tale of a really geeky, perpetual loser type guy trying to hook up with an equally unlucky female. To me he is a kind of balding middle-aged salesman and she is the "thrice-devoriced, 40ish still trying to hang on to twenty" type. She is in the bar hoping like mad to meet "Mr. Right" and he doesn't look forward to the prospect of going back to the hotel room alone. He doesn't care if he's Mr. Right, as long as he's "Mr. Right Now". This may be her first date since the last "Mr. Right" went back inside for a parole violation.

He is so desperate that he will try anything, including telling her he is rich and very good at what needs to be done. Maybe he tries to convince her he is an important guy. Connected somehow. She looks around trying to see if she is missing out on something/someone, but decides "what the Hell".

The secret rules of engagement are the lies these two are filling themselves with while trying to make something low-rate seem somewhat less smarmy. In the end they both take away from the experience what they can.

This is just the vision that comes to my head but it does make a good outline for a sad story. Titled "Saturday Night at the #9 Legion..." , perhaps.

every hip song is about a prostitute. :thumb:

The Darkest Canuck Wrote:i always figured grace too was about about a prostitute...from downtown... armed with will and determination...and grace...too

Lyrics should be left to intrepretation but if you're looking for what the meaning was behind the song...

The song is written by a guy in love. He's in love with this girl, cannot understand why, but he's trying to convince her to come with him, saying he's rich, forget about it, he's not going to lock the door behind her, she's free to go, he just wants to be with her. She takes off, too immature to deal with what's in front of her. Fast forward, he gets engaged to his longtime girlfriend but he still cannot get this beautiful, funny, albeit stupid girl out of his head. That's why 'the rules of engagement are hard to endorse'. He's still trying to resolve things regarding this other girl, but he seems to keep breaking those secret rules of 'engagement'. And this stupid girl just isn't ready for him.

Him, here now no! It's about a time he caught this girl having a really regrettable indiscretion with a friend of his. There, that's the story behind it.

still Wrote:Lyrics should be left to intrepretation but if you're looking for what the meaning was behind the song...

The song is written by a guy in love. He's in love with this girl, cannot understand why, but he's trying to convince her to come with him, saying he's rich, forget about it, he's not going to lock the door behind her, she's free to go, he just wants to be with her. She takes off, too immature to deal with what's in front of her. Fast forward, he gets engaged to his longtime girlfriend but he still cannot get this beautiful, funny, albeit stupid girl out of his head. That's why 'the rules of engagement are hard to endorse'. He's still trying to resolve things regarding this other girl, but he seems to keep breaking those secret rules of 'engagement'. And this stupid girl just isn't ready for him.

Him, here now no! It's about a time he caught this girl having a really regrettable indiscretion with a friend of his. There, that's the story behind it.

...and you wrote the song,correct?