Bertuzzi is gone for the year, regular season and playoffs. The canucks was also fined $ 250 000. Bertuzzi's "eligibility" for the 2004-05 NHL season will be determined by commissioner Gary Bettman at the start of training camp, the league said
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it's bullshite
he should have been suspended the rest of the regular season and not the playoffs....go canucks go....i am still a huge fan of #44
The League is without a doubt trying to make an example out of the Nuck's
Shit, he deserves regular season and playoffs at least. Just regular season would be what ? 13 games ? For breaking a guys neck ? Do that on the street and you're gone for a couple years. I don't care how remorsefull he is , you have to stand up to and take responsibility for your actions. Bert said he never intended to hurt him, well punching someone in the face from the blindside and then piling their face in the ice is not the actions of a person who isn't intending to do harm . I don't doubt he's remorsefull ...but the crap coming out of Burke's mouth about how the media is villifying Bertuzzi is a joke. The media and the Canucks organisation villified McSorley during his incident just the same....and McSorley was just as remorsefull as Bert. Burke and Bertuzzi should take take their medicine and Burke especially should zip it, and just be glad Bert isn't up on a manslaughter beef. I guarantee you if it was #44 in Steve Moore's position, Burke and company would be asking for alot lengthier suspension.
Umm...dannya2, you have to realize this is just another incident of the same kind that Bertuzzi has had. He's one of the worst hot-heads in the league - worse than Matthew Barnaby, Tie Domi and Patrick Roy put together.
Bertuzzi once ran after a BUS to get back at someone, and he beat up Jeff O'Neill when they were on the SAME TEAM. This is the latest in a long string of ugly incidents for him, and he had to miss the playoffs to send him a message.
And everyone else, too - when players see the reaction from the fans to one man singlehandedly guaranteeing they won't win the Cup, other players might be very careful not to go so far.
What I dont get is the league fining the Canucks 250 grand...did they think the organization encouraged Bertuzzi to go after the poor kid?
hey all,
I'm getting really sick of hearing how burt slammed his head into the ice. If you watch the video of the hit you would see he slipped on his stick and fell forward onto moore. Also neither of burts hands were on his head. His left hand was on moore's back below the shoulder blades and burts right (the one he swung with) was on moore's hip. When they fell forward burt may have saved moore from further damage that would have come from the av guy that jumped on top of burt. He swung for burts head from behind which is just what burt did only he missed and just about hit his own player (moore) in the head. Had burt not stopped that punch it would have hit moore in the head and possible done further damage to moore. I don't agree with sucker punches. But had moore bounced back up after the hit burt only gets a 5 minute major end of story. Also if you think the media didn't play this up huge than i'm not sure where you have been. As soon as it happened the media wanted burts head. Burt intended to hurt him with a punch not break the guys neck. these players go on the ice knowing full well that they are going to be assaulted. remember this is hockey. It is terrible what happened but to lose the playoffs is unthinkable not only that but he has to apply to be reinstated into the league? I'll say it again if you take out hitting and fighting then all that is left is reingette. Charging the nucks 250000 is stupid. Granato put moore on the ice with 4 minutes left in a 9 to 2 game. Granato threw moore to the lions. everyone knows what he did to markus was cheap and also a head shot but moore did this to the leagues #1 scorer at the time burt put out a kid who is a nobody and will always be. sure he made to the nhl but was he ever going to be a star. very doughtful. Marty used his stick on donald big, big difference.
this comparison to what would happen to you at work had you broken someone's neck is crazy. The players in the nhl sign wavers to allow for assaults to happen, it is a very physical game. Last i checked I didn't sign anything that would allow someone to assault me at work or on the street. I play rec hockey and have to sign a form that states i am putting myself at risk when I step on the ice and that my team and the facility are not responsible for any accidents that may occur. Hockey players don't wear all that equipment in case they fall down. It is to protect yourself from the physicalities inherent in the game of hockey. It is assumed we can all stand up on our skates.
I was kind of surprised when the league didnt fine Moore or suspend him when he knocked out the Canucks captain. He was out for something like 3 days, doesnt that deserve a fine of some sort? What the league needs to do is sit down with the players and work out a system of fines/suspensions for cheap shots and stuff like that, dropping the gloves and fighting face to face wouldnt be in the mix.
bauer Wrote:hey all,
When they fell forward burt may have saved moore from further damage that would have come from the av guy that jumped on top of burt. He swung for burts head from behind which is just what burt did only he missed and just about hit his own player (moore) in the head. Had burt not stopped that punch it would have hit moore in the head and possible done further damage to moore.
Are you saying that Bertuzzi is the good guy for trying to protect Moore???? Pretty hard to argue that when you can clearly see in the video that once on top of Moore on the ice, Bertuzzi was continuing to try and punch him in the head. You can also see the av player throwing a punch at Burtuzzi, but by no means was Bertuzzi trying to protect Moore from his teamates punch!! He was trying to hit Moore himself for christ sakes.
bauer Wrote:I don't agree with sucker punches. But had moore bounced back up after the hit burt only gets a 5 minute major end of story. Also if you think the media didn't play this up huge than i'm not sure where you have been. As soon as it happened the media wanted burts head. Burt intended to hurt him with a punch not break the guys neck.
I asked myself that question, what if Moore wasn't hurt? What would the punishment be then? I'm not sure but it shouldn't really matter if a player is severaly hurt or not as a result of something so cheap and uncalled for. Bottom line is that the actions of Bertuzzi are unacceptable in the game irregardless of the results.
And of course the media jumped all over the story and I believe now that the ruling is in everyone should just drop it at that and quit rehashing it, but it was what it was.
And yes, Bertuzzi intended to hurt him, not break the guys neck.
bauer Wrote:these players go on the ice knowing full well that they are going to be assaulted. remember this is hockey. It is terrible what happened but to lose the playoffs is unthinkable not only that but he has to apply to be reinstated into the league? I'll say it again if you take out hitting and fighting then all that is left is reingette.
the players go on the ice knowing they may be hurt form the normal activites of playing hockey like getting checked. What is never an assumption from the players is that at any given moment they might be sucker punched from behind without knowing it was coming.
I'd agree that the hitting and fighting are part of the game, but there are limits to what's acceptable.
bauer Wrote:Charging the nucks 250000 is stupid. Granato put moore on the ice with 4 minutes left in a 9 to 2 game. Granato threw moore to the lions. everyone knows what he did to markus was cheap and also a head shot but moore did this to the leagues #1 scorer at the time burt put out a kid who is a nobody and will always be. sure he made to the nhl but was he ever going to be a star. very doughtful. Marty used his stick on donald big, big difference.
So what Bertuzzi did is ok because the kid was unproven? :roll: The only difference between what Bertuzzi did and what Marty did was that Marty used a stick. Saying that because their victims were at different levels and that makes one ok and the other not is utterly laughable.
he got what he deseserved...
I don't see the second punch from bert. I think in the split second this happened two punches is not probable from burt, he is falling after all. I don't think burt was trying to protect moore, i don't think anyone knew the severity of the inncident at that point, but had the av punch hit moore instead of burts glove the damage could have been more severe. I agree that players don't go on the ice thinking they are going to be sucker punched but they do step on the ice with full knowledge that in the game they play each night may be their last. Injuries happen every game some on purpose most by accident. The pros are tough as nails and they need to be. The game itself is tough. The idea of a check not being an assault isn't sound. If I were to give someone a bodycheck, a real bodycheck, in the bar i could indeed be charged with assault. To check someone off the puck is no small feat. Even in adult rec hockey where most of us aren't in the best shape of our lives it's hard to knock someone off the puck. You have to hit them, no cheap shots, but you have to lean your shoulder into them and push and try to get the puck. It ain't easy and the adrenaline flows quite quickly. I don't think that because the kid is unproven he is fair game, I think that if this were two nobodies the suspension is much shorter and the whole thing after the punch was an accident and not an assault. ie the broken neck. And the marty thing, come on don't you guys remember the hit. The heel of a stick to the temple is and assault with a weapon. Burt suckered him sure, and hell ya he should be punished but he didn't even swing with full force where Marty chopped donald in the temple with a baseball swing. Also the video of burts "assault" is available for slow-mo replay on the forum at canucks.com
and hey, I would rather take a shot to face from a gloved hand than a stick everytime. at least with a glove you stand a chance of keeping some teeth. The only difference between what marty did and burt did was marty used a stick? come on, now that's crazy for ch**** sakes :rambo:
I went and looked for the replay there but to be honest I can't be bothered looking around that forum for it. Have you actually been in there lately? Wow, it pretty clear there are complete and utter morons on both sides hanging around in there these days. Of the 2 pages I looked at I would say 95% were about Bertuzzi and the ones I actually bothered to go into were nothing but flame wars between all of the experts in the entiere world.
Anyway, from the overkilled media coverage and the 4 billion times I've seen it on tv I believe that it looks like he tried to hit him again once they were both on the ice. Might be wrong I suppose. Doesn't really matter though, it was the first hit that's really the issue.
Obviously being hit with a fist from behind is prefered over being hit with a stick. You are right, being hit with a stick is a worse. But Bertuzzi hit him with enough force from behind to knock the guy out, I would say that would constitute a pretty solid hit. The whole point about his glove still being on is not that it was being used as some kind of weapon, it's that it wasn't your typical fair hockey fight where both guys square off and "drop the gloves"
You could be right about the outcome being different if it were someone else. Pretty hard to know since it didn't happen that way though. I don't believe the general media that blew this thing up really know or cares about the difference between Bertuzzi and some nobody anyway.
And I know that hockey is a rough game with a lot of physical play, all I'm saying is that there are certain limits within the game, same as there are limits in boxing and in any other organized sport. Of course accidents can happen and players can be seriously hurt within the legal play of the game, but those are just that, accidents, they can't always be prevented. By enforcing cheap shots like Bertuzzi's with stiff penelties, maybe the NHL can help prevent some of the cheap, unessasary stuff from the game so that players are not exposed to any additional danger than that which they already face by just playing the game of hockey.
Anyway, this is all much to do about nothing. What happened happened, it's over. Bertuzzi's out for the season which I feel constitutes a reasonable penelty for what he did. And Moore is in the hospital and will hopefully make a full recovery and return to playing hockey.
All that said, I'm gonna stick to the ladder part of the lyrics in your sig... and hang back.
Oh, and go FLAMES!!
He should be out as long as Moore is out..if Moore has to end his career, so should Bertuzzi.
and if moore is back for the playoffs does that mean burt can come back too?? there is a posibility that moore may recover in a couple of weeks.