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schaggs Wrote:That being said, I don't think there's all that much financial upside to doing it - CD's are basically dead, the radio doesn't play much new hip, streaming doesn't pay much at all, and they clearly can't tour in support.

I'm thinking the same. Despite the passion on this board, there would be a small market for future releases. Even with interest around the last tour, there was likely a spike in sales of the catalogue, but I don't know a lot of marginal fans who bought MMP.

I can also see the band's possible disinterest. Beyond missing a crucial piece in the process, the end-goal is gone. They were a band who put out albums so they could tour. It would be a different situation to be putting in the studio time, knowing you're not going to be able to play these songs live. Plus, I have the impression "legacy and brand" has always been important to the band. Posthumous releases start to get into a grey area, IMO. Prince sounds interesting, with a vault of fully finished recordings and video. The Hendrix estate was jumped the shark with some recent releases, as well as The Doors who released some terrible sounding recording.
As Schaggs said, unfortunately even a final Hip album doesn’t likely mean boffo sales in 2018 and beyond.

There’s a few ways this could shake out.

They could look at all the best stuff they have in the vault and release that as the final Hip album.

They could stick with more recent leftovers from Man Machine Poem and whatever they recorded after the final tour.

They could release all the good unreleased tracks as a B-sides collection.

It’d be cool to see them take the best of the final stuff and put that out as the final Hip album. Juice it with some classic B-sides like Get Born Again if need be.

I’d love to hear Gord’s final Hip songs. Introduce Yerself is terrific. I know he still had plenty in the tank. Love to know what was on his mind that late in the day.
I know that on here there are lots of people (including myself) that would love to see concert releases.... however, there are dozens.... even hundreds of great sounding audience recordings (with some released soundboards mixed in) in the Hipbase archive that I'm sure barely anyone touches. Each soundboard recording is definitely a treat, but there are just so many audience recordings out there that I'm usually taken aback by the posts that say they have lagged behind in concert releases.

Anyways, back to the topic at hand...

Can't wait for a day off that starts with a coffee and some Morning Moon!
swm Wrote:https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2018/07/05..._23475366/

slightly longer low def version;
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Interesting that Gord was seriously floating ideas for someone to replace him in the band, and hoping that they'd maybe continue on without him.

And I love Paul's response there: "No way, man."
sean.bonner Wrote:I know that on here there are lots of people (including myself) that would love to see concert releases.... however, there are dozens.... even hundreds of great sounding audience recordings (with some released soundboards mixed in) in the Hipbase archive that I'm sure barely anyone touches. Each soundboard recording is definitely a treat, but there are just so many audience recordings out there that I'm usually taken aback by the posts that say they have lagged behind in concert releases

Back in the old "blanks & postage" days of the 90s, I wanted to get my hands on every bootleg out there, no matter what the quality. But as the years progressed I've found that audience recordings just don't do it for me anymore. I think Pearl Jam drove a stake through the heart of audience bootlegs when they started releasing high quality soundboard shows back in the early 2000s. And then other bands started following suit (Wilco, Black Crowes, Chili Peppers). Then once the Hip started putting out the Live From the Vault shows, there was no going back. These days it's soundboard or bust for me.
In terms of anything 'new' or 'archived' coming out, one thing I'm curious about as a beatles nerd (I am a beatles fan...he muttered) is who would speak for Gord's perspective.

In the Beatles, any new release has to be vetted by Yoko and Olivia Harrison, even if Paul and Ringo are already on board. I wonder if the Hip have something similar where they'd have to take anything to....the brothers? His wife?
https://www.thestar.com/entertainment/mu...nabis.html

REEMORE, ONT.—One really couldn’t script a more “of the moment” Canadian story: The Tragically Hip has quietly re-emerged into the public eye for the first time since frontman Gord Downie’s death from brain cancer last October, and broken an almost-total radio silence imposed for the past three years to talk about … marijuana.

The band announced it had entered into a partnership, co-signed by Downie, with Brantford-based cannabis producer Newstrike in May of last year. But the big reveal of the (ahem) joint brand name, Up Cannabis, and several planned weed strains named for Tragically Hip tunes — “Eldorado,” “Gems,” “50MC,” “Grace” and “Morning Moon” — came this week amidst a lavish overnight party for around 200 invited guests, including many music-industry folk and online “influencers” and a handful of media, myself included, thrown on the combination organic farm and event space known as the New Farm outside Creemore.
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Dallas Green of City and Colour played an acoustic set in the barn on Tuesday evening, with earlier support from not un-Hip-like Kingston rocker the Glorious Sons, while a bonfire blazed away outside and craft cocktails were served. Banquet tables were laid out for a farm-to-table feast. An entire upside-down house was erected on site for the sole purpose of encouraging visitors to snap silly photos of themselves to post to Instagram with the #LiveItUp hashtag. Lucky “VIPs” stayed the night in canvas “glamping” tents better appointed than your average motel room.

The highlight for most, however, was simply seeing Hip members Rob Baker, Paul Langlois and Gord Sinclair — drummer Johnny Fay sat out the occasion — in one place again, not playing music but simply hanging out, having a few drinks, mingling with fans and friends, and generally showing their support for a line of products in which they hold a 5.4-percent stake that, the Globe and Mail estimated last year, is already worth about $39 million to them.

It’s an intriguing next chapter in the life of a band of brothers that effectively ceased to exist as an actual band when the irreplaceable Downie died last year, and a wholly novel means of sustaining the Tragically Hip’s legacy into the future.

“I don’t necessarily think that is intentional,” confesses Langlois. “We were already in and aware of it as we didn’t know how Gord was going to be. We all hoped that he would still be here, as he did. So it wasn’t a thought of ‘What do we do after you go?’ or that kind of thing. It was just kind of like, ‘This is exciting and this is cool and these guys are great.’ They really seemed to have their sh--t together. We toured the original plant in Brantford and we became educated, as a credit to them, on just how this was going to play out and the hoops they were going to have to jump through — legitimate hoops — to satisfy Health Canada to get their grow license and then the sales license. It’s a tricky situation.”

It is, as Langlois puts it, “an adjustment” for the surviving members of the Hip, who ceased doing interviews after Downie’s diagnosis with terminal glioblastoma in May 2016 and for the duration of that following summer’s triumphant farewell tour of Canada, to return to the public eye in any fashion. They hosted a small event with Up for 30 or so people at their Bathhouse studio outside Kingston in May, but this week’s event was the site of their first real media interviews in three years.

The band is understandably wary of appearing to be cashing in on its name in opportunistic fashion by linking up with Newstrike and Up Cannabis. And it isn’t really. Current Canadian law prohibits direct endorsement of cannabis products — hence the rather vague sponsorship presence of companies such as Aurora Cannabis and Tweed at festivals like North by Northeast and Field Trip this summer — so the Tragically Hip’s name won’t actually be on any of Up’s wares. They have a legitimate stake in the company, however.

“They’re real partners in the business,” affirms affable Newstrike CEO Jay Wilgar. “I think that’s the thing that people forget: the Hip, as a group of guys and managers, these guys are involved in what we do. We didn’t just use their name. They wouldn’t do that. It’s not their style. And it clicked immediately.

“In my view, what better group could you partner with in Canada? No one knows Canada better than the Tragically Hip. And certainly, when we figured out that this made sense there was a very excited moment.”

It’s not like the Hip has abused its position by slapping its name on a bunch of branded products over the past 34 years, anyway. There’s a line of wines from Stoney Ridge Estate Winery out there, but that’s about it.

In any case, there were pot leaves subtly waving in an aquarium years ago in the video for “Poets.” The Tragically Hip has never really made a secret of its affinity for marijuana.

“Those opportunities do come along over the course of a career,” notes Baker. “If you stick around long enough, someone will say, ‘We’d really like to use your song for Ford pickup trucks’ or ‘Union Carbide is building a new plant in India and we’d like to use your song’ or whatever. We get opportunities and we say ‘no, no, no.’ But occasionally something fits. We drink wine. We like wine. So when the opportunity came along to pair with a winemaker and get involved, we said ‘That’s a natural thing.’ And, you know, we’ve all been curious about cannabis for a long time...”

“I’ve always wanted to try it,” laughs Langlois.

“So this seems like a natural thing,” says Baker. “For probably 30 years, we’ve been saying it’s going to be legal. It’s inevitable that they have to make it legal because the current policies are stupid. Prohibition doesn’t work. It’s a bad idea. There are a million reasons why it should be legal and there are no good reasons why it shouldn’t be legal. So it was inevitable.”

Sinclair is, by his bandmates’ own admission, the most knowledgeable of the bunch on the fine details of sativas versus indicas and the effects of ingesting this strain or that strain.

Indeed, it fell to him at the New Farm on Tuesday to announce the five Hip-approved cannabis strains that will be available for purchase on “legalization day,” Oct. 17 — which, in an odd twist of fate, will be a year to the day after Gord Downie’s death.

“It’s amazing. It’s a tribute to the country that we can actually push this through,” says Sinclair. “Socially, it’s a really good thing. I’m not an advocate or anything, but everyone needs to take the edge off once in awhile and everybody likes to have fun and so many people who’ve maybe not tried it before would benefit from smoking weed instead of, for instance, drinking the brown water. It might be a really, really good thing.

“It’s amazing that they’ve done it nationwide, too. That’s such an important thing. We toured down in the States after it became legal, up and down the west coast, and it was great — you’d go to a dispensary in Washington and try another one in Oregon and then do the same thing in California. But then you’d make a left turn and the ‘federales’ are literally waiting at the New Mexico border to tear your tour bus apart so that they can send you to prison for the rest of your life.”

The Tragically Hip’s involvement with Up Cannabis does not, of course, signify a return to action for perhaps the most beloved band in Canadian history — one whose final performance on the Man Machine Poem tour at Kingston’s K-Rock Arena on Aug. 20, 2016, was watched live by roughly one-third of the country’s population.

There can be no Tragically Hip without Gord Downie. The rest of the band is clear on that.

“We have very similar social circles — the three of us, especially, since we’re in Kingston in general — and we collaborate on various things,” says Langlois. “Sometimes it’s recording with other people; other times I’ll be in the studio and I’ll ask Gord to come in and sing backup or Robbie to put a pedal-steel on something I’m working up, and vice versa. These guys have worked on a couple of things together. So everyone is still a musician. We’re not getting together and playing Hip songs or that kind of thing, but we’re not going to stop being musicians.”

Why tarnish the perfect send-off that was that final tour, after all? Langlois, Baker and Sinclair concede they’re all still in awe of how their lifelong friend Downie managed to pull off that last run at the road. And then top it off with the activist project Secret Path — a harrowing multimedia depiction of the final days in residential-school escapee Chanie Wenjack’s short life — and last year’s stunning farewell solo album, Introduce Yerself, to boot.
"No one knows Canada better than the Tragically Hip," says Up Cannabis CEO Jay Wilgar.
"No one knows Canada better than the Tragically Hip," says Up Cannabis CEO Jay Wilgar. (Up Cannabis)

“No one worked harder than Gord,” says Sinclair. “When we started those first few shows, we were playing worried. Like, we were watching him. And I’m speaking for myself, but towards the end you would kind of forget that he was sick. We’re a band, so when he was strong, we were strong, and we were getting stronger and stronger to the point that you’d forget and you’d go, ‘Wow, what a great show’ and then you’d sit back with each other afterwards and then you’d realize, ‘Oh, he’s a very sick man.’ It was really cool — the power of the audience and how hard he had to work to get there and how hard our crew worked to get us there.”

“You saw Gord get stronger over the course of 15 shows,” nods Baker. “The outpouring of love lifted him up and gave him strength, which allowed him to continue on and do the other projects he had. I made no secret of it that I wasn’t a fan of the idea of going out and doing the tour because my fear was that it was going to be a public funeral every night for 15,000 people, and I couldn’t have been more wrong. It really was a celebration. It was pretty awesome.”

“It’s great that he got to do that,” says Langlois. “He was obsessed, through his radiation and getting sick, that he wanted to do the tour only because he was just remembering, ‘Wait a second, we did a record, right? We’re supposed to tour.’ And he f-ing did it, and then Secret Path was another obsession, just to see if he could do it. And he gathered all the strength to do it, I think, just from being out on the road and getting to say goodbye to all these people.”
Another article, with Gord Sinclair discussing potency of Morning Moon vs Eldorado:

https://torontosun.com/cannabis/cannabis...nabis-deal

CREEMORE — The Tragically Hip’s relationship with licensed marijuana producer Up Cannabis seemed like a natural fit for “Canada’s band.”

Especially since guitarists Rob Baker and Paul Langlois and bassist Gord Sinclair say it follows the Hip’s ethos of the last 30 years.

“You just want to be good, whatever it is,” said Baker seated beside his band mates at one of two long banquet tables at The New Farm, about 125 kilometres northwest of Toronto. gathering.

“And that was always (the Hip’s) approach. You don’t know if you’re going to write a hit. Just make it as good as you can. And I think that’s what these gals and guys (in Up Cannabis) are doing. They’re trying to do it the right way and build it slowly. I think they have the right approach and we have an affinity for the way they approach the business. It makes us a good fit.”

The Hip’s rhythm guitarist Paul Langlois wth Up Cannabis CEO Jay Wilgar on the front porch of the band’s The Bathouse recording studio.)

Added Langlois: “They’ve kept it cool. And we’re keeping it cool. And ‘Let’s just keep it about what the potential of (recreational cannabis) being legalized is,’ which is totally civilized (and) normal. And let’s not all go crazy and smoke too much weed all the time.”

As previously reported by the Toronto Sun, Up Cannabis, whose Ontario-grown products will be available in at least four provinces (the distribution deal has yet to be announced) as of Oct. 17, the date recreational pot is set to become legal in Canada, unveiled five strains all named after Hip songs at The New Farm event where celebrity chefs provided the Cannabis-inspired meal and Dallas Green and The Glorious Sons performed in a nearby barn.

Sinclair gave a public talk to a mix of contest winners, the media, friends and family, about each strain from the weakest (Morning Moon) to the strongest (Eldorado). The other strains are called Grace (after the Hip song, “Grace, Too”), 50MC (in a reference to “Fifty-Mission Cap”) and Gems (as in “The Last of the Unplucked Gems.”)

“It’s really cool,” Sinclair quipped about the names.

“It’s different than ‘Paisley Orange Super Skunky Surprise,’ and all the stupid names that the stoners come up with. That’s been the cool thing about working with Up is that they’re approaching it like adults. And it’s an adult thing because it’s designed for adults, you know, and responsible use. Knowing what your limits are. If you’ve never smoked weed before you don’t run to Eldorado. It has the most THC. (Try) Morning Moon. It’s chill and it’s mellow and a nice sort of entry point. And it’s about educating people as opposed to having us dressed up in tie-dye — like Cheech and Chong — with reefers hanging out of our mouths.”

“That happens later,” joked Langlois.

Also taken into consideration is the wishes of the Hip’s lead singer Gord Downie who passed away on Oct. 17 of last year from brain cancer.

Downie approved of the deal — which sees the band as investors, partners and in a strategic marketer role — and was years in the making but was only formally announced last May.

“He was into this relationship with Up Cannabis,” said Langlois.

“He wasn’t well enough to participate in his last year and that’s where we really started (making the relationship known). But he was 110% in. We knew that. And we know that he wanted our studio (The Bathouse) to continue. (Some money) would flow to his family, and he wanted it to keep going which is great of him and I think all of us would have felt that way ‘cause it’s just a beautiful, magical place. It keeps getting great music made there. So those are two things we know: He liked this. He liked The Bathouse.”

The Tragically Hip’s Gord Sinclair, Rob Baker and Paul Langlois hang out with contest winners at the group’s recent gathering in Creemore, Ont., to celebrate their partnership with Up Cannabis. (Handout art from up Cannabis)

Naturally then, the first Hip/Up Cannabis event was back on May 24 at the band’s studio near their hometown of Kingston for about 40 invited guests that was more of a tour of the space, and a night of good food, drink, a bonfire, and acoustic music by Green.

Added Baker: “It’s the kind of thing we discussed previously. Long before there was talk of legalization, there was talk of legalization. One day it’s going to come. There’s been talk of this since the Senate recommended it in ‘72. It’s been going on a long time. So we knew the day was coming. It was inevitable. And I think we always thought, ‘(When) prohibition ends there’s a great opportunity to be on the ground floor of something.’”
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