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I like everything I've heard in those two Bathouse videos. Not to be too greedy, but hopefully there's a third with a couple more great sneak peaks

Carry on carrying on.

tigerthelion Wrote:

Billy Wrote:

tigerthelion Wrote:Rock and roll is actually kind of limited, so it's impossible for The Hip not to repeat some things along the way.

As someone said a few years ago here (I think it was this forum anyways)...

"Hogwash, nonsense, poopycock, poop!"

There is absolutely nothing limiting about rock and roll...nothing. It is so vast and varied. Saying it is limiting is just plain silly. Just this morning I was feeling nostalgic and I threw on "The Real Thing" by Faith No More. Both my wife and I commented on how good the album was/is and how unique sounding it was then and still is today. Nothing at all sounds like it. The same can be said for Jane's Addiction, 'Nothing's Shocking". Blind Melon, 'Soup" is another fine example. There are tons of examples of truly unique and great sounding albums.

I think the Hip have done very well in their progression from one album to the next and to me they all sound quite different. They don't need to repeat anything if they so choose.

Ok, I'll just say this then-- The Hip are very limited in what they can do. They are fine musicians, but they are limited in what they can play. If Robby Baker could play Hendrix-level or Clapton-level licks, HE WOULD. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, like I've enjoyed all of their albums, but don't act like the band is revolutionizing music with each new album.

There are only so many chord progressions. Heck, Summer's Killing Us seems to have similiar chords as Baba O'reilly. So, is SKS really that original and groundbreaking?

What do you guys expect on the new album, anyway? I mean, it's gonna sound like The Hip but it's gonna be pretty predictable, too. And there's nothing wrong with that, by the way. Johnny is gonna provide a solid backbone, there are gonna be crunchy guitars, some hard driving rhythms, Gord is gonna have fantastic lyrics, and Robbie will probably have some solid solos.

Glass half full or glass half empty? Seems like it's half empty for you and half full for me.

To clarify, I am choosing to believe that the Hip are not limited by anything because they are very capable and creative musicians. If they are limited it's only because they are choosing to be limited. You seem to be placing them in a small box by saying they are very limited. I'll also add, I love the Hip and every sound they have produced thus far, so if this next album sounds just like an earlier one, I'm cool with that.

Tiger The Lion, Thompson Girl, Wild Mountain Honey...those don't sound like Hip songs. They do have the ability to think outside the box if they choose to do so.

Billy Wrote:Glass half full or glass half empty?

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tigerthelion Wrote:Ok, I'll just say this then-- The Hip are very limited in what they can do. They are fine musicians, but they are limited in what they can play. If Robby Baker could play Hendrix-level or Clapton-level licks, HE WOULD. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, like I've enjoyed all of their albums, but don't act like the band is revolutionizing music with each new album.

I fully disagree.. I'm sure Robby has the skill to play "Hendrix-like" licks, Hendrix was sloppy to beginwith, It's what he wrote that was brilliant.
Can robby PLAY Hendrix and Clapton licks? I'm positive he can.
Can he write Hendrix and Clapton licks? no, because he writes Robby Baker licks.
I'm not flaming you, 'just saying, just because he doesnt melt your face, doesnt mean he is any more limited than any of the said guitarrists. His forte is playing solos deeply rooted with rythm, he doesnt play over the band, he plays with the band.

I think his playing fully expresses him as a person aswell. From the short time I got to talk to him last year after a show at The Kee, he seemed very humble, very zen-like but had an ego-less confidence about him, and his playing is just that. his solos are loaded with emotion and confidence without coming off as forced or cheesey, all for the benifit of the song, and not for the benifit of his ego.

just my 2 cents..

Otherwise I'm very excited for the new album, heres to hoping for a little more of a traditional stripped down sound out of Bob Rock. I found world container to be a little too easy to listen to production wise.

rowdy-raddi Wrote:I fully disagree.. I'm sure Robby has the skill to play "Hendrix-like" licks, Hendrix was sloppy to beginwith, It's what he wrote that was brilliant.
Can robby PLAY Hendrix and Clapton licks? I'm positive he can.
Can he write Hendrix and Clapton licks? no, because he writes Robby Baker licks.
I'm not flaming you, 'just saying, just because he doesnt melt your face, doesnt mean he is any more limited than any of the said guitarrists. His forte is playing solos deeply rooted with rythm, he doesnt play over the band, he plays with the band.

I think his playing fully expresses him as a person aswell. From the short time I got to talk to him last year after a show at The Kee, he seemed very humble, very zen-like but had an ego-less confidence about him, and his playing is just that. his solos are loaded with emotion and confidence without coming off as forced or cheesey, all for the benifit of the song, and not for the benifit of his ego.

just my 2 cents..

Couldn't agree more! I've always loved Robby's guitar work. The guy is ridiculously talented.

rowdy-raddi Wrote:

tigerthelion Wrote:Ok, I'll just say this then-- The Hip are very limited in what they can do. They are fine musicians, but they are limited in what they can play. If Robby Baker could play Hendrix-level or Clapton-level licks, HE WOULD. I'm sure I'll enjoy the new album, like I've enjoyed all of their albums, but don't act like the band is revolutionizing music with each new album.

I fully disagree.. I'm sure Robby has the skill to play "Hendrix-like" licks, Hendrix was sloppy to beginwith, It's what he wrote that was brilliant.
Can robby PLAY Hendrix and Clapton licks? I'm positive he can.
Can he write Hendrix and Clapton licks? no, because he writes Robby Baker licks.
I'm not flaming you, 'just saying, just because he doesnt melt your face, doesnt mean he is any more limited than any of the said guitarrists. His forte is playing solos deeply rooted with rythm, he doesnt play over the band, he plays with the band.

I think his playing fully expresses him as a person aswell. From the short time I got to talk to him last year after a show at The Kee, he seemed very humble, very zen-like but had an ego-less confidence about him, and his playing is just that. his solos are loaded with emotion and confidence without coming off as forced or cheesey, all for the benifit of the song, and not for the benifit of his ego.

just my 2 cents..

Otherwise I'm very excited for the new album, heres to hoping for a little more of a traditional stripped down sound out of Bob Rock. I found world container to be a little too easy to listen to production wise.

The Hip are my favourite band, so, obviously I'm a fan of Rob Baker and his guitar work. Rob Baker has a great style of his own but he is somewhat limited in what he can play. Heck, HE WOULD EVEN TELL YOU THAT. Writing music is part of being a skilled musician. Robby writes to the best of his abilities, which are very good. You're positive Robby can play, note for note, the best material Clapton did with 'Cream'? I doubt it. I don't want him to melt my face. I prefer to listen to him over someone like Steve Vai to be completely honest. We gotta be honest here, though. Robby doesn't "choose" to just be limited. He IS LIMITED compared to guys like Clapton and Hendrix. Robby does play with great emotion, though, which is what I love about him.

I suppose I am kind of wasting my time because I am kind of arguing against a guy who plays in my favourite band. However, I'm just trying to be as brutally honest as possible. Just look at what Robby said about The Hip covering 'Limelight'. He said that at the end of the short clip most people saw, it seemed like he was kind of coming apart on the guitar. He basically said that it sounded like he was coming apart because HE ACTUALLY WAS COMING APART, while going on to say that he could only dream of playing guitar on the level of Lifeson on that song. Robby knows his limitations. In fact, he's gone on record many times saying that there are so many guitarists out there that he can't touch.

Robby is talented but there are thousands of guitarists who are more talented than him. Saying that, though, I'd rather listen to him as part of The Hip than those other guitarists most days.

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tigerthelion Wrote:The Hip are my favourite band, so, obviously I'm a fan of Rob Baker and his guitar work. Rob Baker has a great style of his own but he is somewhat limited in what he can play. Heck, HE WOULD EVEN TELL YOU THAT. Writing music is part of being a skilled musician. Robby writes to the best of his abilities, which are very good. You're positive Robby can play, note for note, the best material Clapton did with 'Cream'? I doubt it. I don't want him to melt my face. I prefer to listen to him over someone like Steve Vai to be completely honest. We gotta be honest here, though. Robby doesn't "choose" to just be limited. He IS LIMITED compared to guys like Clapton and Hendrix. Robby does play with great emotion, though, which is what I love about him.

Robby is talented but there are thousands of guitarists who are more talented than him. Saying that, though, I'd rather listen to him as part of The Hip than those other guitarists most days.

I dont even think clapton plays clapton licks note for note :wink:
I agree with alot of what youre saying, you came off as sounding very anti-Baker the first time around. my big stink was, what makes one guitarist better than the next one? I'm not saying I think Robby is the most skilled player in the world. but along with the likes of SRV, Page, Hendrix, Petrucci, Clapton, Frusciante, they each have completely different skill sets but all bring something unique to their craft, and anyone would be hard pressed to come up with a difinitive best guitarist.

You're absolutely right that there are thousands of better guitarrists in the world...90% of which will never be under the spotlight. It has always been a mind boggling thing to see how many genuinely gifted musicians fall through the cracks because some suit with a big bag of money thinks their sound is... out of style...go on youtube, your local pub, theyre not hard to find. lol sorry to go off topic, but damn. if it wasnt for the bands of yesterday still putting out music.. I'd be even more ashamed of popular music today. Some of the musicians on the world stage sound like theyve been playing their instrument for about a week and a half.

But back on topic.... I've got a fever...and the only perscription..is more bathouse videos...

That wasnt cheesey... :?

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