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The Never-Ending Present: AMA
#1

Hello HipBasers.

I'm the author of The Never-Ending Present (and co-author of Have Not Been the Same) and yes, I've been lurking here as part of my research while writing the book.

Thank you for your passion, your wisdom, your knowledge, your attention to detail, your spirit.

I haven't piped up here before because I wanted people to comment freely on the book without thinking I was in the room. I was, and I hope that's not considered sneaky or deceptive; if so, I apologize. I appreciate all the kind words as well as the criticism. And thank you particularly for the intelligent criticism I saw here, as opposed to knee-jerk reactions (which I did not at all see here).

I've met some of you at the Ontario events I've had in the last few months; I hope to meet more of you when I go to the Maritimes and out west in October on more legs of the book tour.

The other reason I didn't pipe up before is because I didn't want to be "that guy" pushing his book. (It was crystal clear I wasn't welcome on the FB group in any capacity.) But the book has done really well in the last four months. Thank YOU for that. So I'm not here now to promote it, but in the event anyone has any questions, I'd be happy to answer them. I have a thick skin. I'm also receptive to any factual corrections, which would be more than appreciated.

Cheers
mb
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#2

barclay Wrote:yes, I've been lurking here as part of my research while writing the book.
I knew it!

Thanks so much for the book! I attended the reading at the NAC, but didn't have time to say hello afterwards. I thought it was a fantastic read.
If you've been lurking here a while, then you may know what the general Hipbase sentiment is towards that group...

It is clear that you are a passionate fan that parallels the levels of fandom on Hipbase. I loved your additional story about the time when the boys played the House of Blues in Atlantic City... hilarious stuff.

Just curious, did any of your research involve listening to any of the available audio/video bootlegs?

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#3

Mr. Barclay,

Thank you for writing the book. I bought it the week it came out and I enjoyed it immensely. The Hip's story needed to be told, and I'm glad you were the first one to take a real stab at it in such a comprehensive and entertaining manner. I think it turned out pretty damn great and I learned a lot of new and interesting tidbits throughout the book. I think every Hip fan should give it a read.

While I'm at it, I'd also like to thank you for your contributions to Have Not Been the Same. I recently finished reading it again for the first time in ages, and it's still just as fascinating. It truly is the bible of Canadian rock and I'm constantly recommending it to other like-minded fans. Excellent work, man. Seriously.

But back to the Never-Ending Present: I'm sure it was difficult and frustrating not having the band's involvement. Just curious, was there a particular reason given for why they chose not to participate? Or did they just send you a message saying "nope", and that was it?

Also, when did you first begin the project? Was it just after Gord's diagnosis?

Thanks again!

Casey
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#4

Thank you for writing this book! It was a really comforting read in the wake of Gord's passing. For a band I've been so obsessed with for decades now, there was (and still is) so much to learn. One chapter in particular that has stuck with me was the one about the making Coke Machine Glow. It's one of my favourite records of all time, yet I knew so little of its creation story. I listen to it now with even more appreciation after reading your book.

I attended your book signing event in Lindsay the day after I finished the book and a great time. Thank you for taking the time to chat and answering my questions then. No questions here today. Just a thank you! :thumb:
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#5

Hey Mr. Barclay, I too would just like to say thank you for writing the book. I haven't finished it yet, but I've read the majority of it (getting close to the end and I'm not sure I want to read much about Gord's diagnosis and the end of the band yet!) and found it quite enjoyable. It is clear that you put a lot of work and especially a lot of research into it, and I'm glad that there is a real book about the band out there now. As much as we hipbasers would love something official from the band, this feels really close to that in many ways.

Just curious as to the most interesting story/issue/random information that you came across while researching the book? Anything surprise you about the band?
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#6

Hi Michael,

Thanks for reaching out, I totally understand and appreciate your approach in interacting with this site. As I believe was mentioned in other threads the main criticisms could be boiled down to wanting more. I'm confident if you pulled together a 10,000 page book most of us would still be looking for an additional 10,000 pages. With a book like this there is certainly the need to make it as marketable as possible so I can certainly appreciate that pages had to be devoted to providing introductory details on a number of things that many of us on the hipbase already 'knew'.

In terms of questions:

Were there any stories you really wanted to include but couldn't because of a lack of sources or able to verify?

What did you find most frustrating in writing this book?

Were there any topics you wish you could have went deeper into but couldn't due to a lack of information?

Beyond the band, was there anyone you wish you could have spent more time interviewing?

and finally if you were to write a sequel to this book what would you want it to focus on?

Thanks again for writing this book, I suspect it will be something I re-read every few years and pick up new tidbits each time!
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#7

Thank you all for your kind words.
Here we go!
Sean Bonner asked: "Just curious, did any of your research involve listening to any of the available audio/video bootlegs?"


I only listened to bootlegs of the earliest years, because that's what I was most curious about--that was all new to me, hearing them with Davis Manning, hearing what covers they were doing and how they did them. It was extremely enlightening: they sound like a COMPLETELY different band than we hear on the EP. It's like Steve Jordan says in the book: when you went to see the Hip, you DANCED. I don't think of the HIp as we know them as a dance band, but they were absolutely an R&B band in their infancy—and a great one, not unlike Van Morrison's Them. (I always liked Them's big hits, but didn't dive deep into their whole discography until a few years back; I'll admit I've never been a huge Stones fan, but after hearing Them, the Stones really do sound like amateurs to me. I realize those are fighting words.)

I was also grateful to hear the Chris Wardman demos for Up to Here; hearing that early version of "Three Pistols" and realizing that, yes, I can see why it was cut from UTH and refined before making it on to Road Apples. And realizing that Don Smith likely did whip those songs into shape; he was more than just a great recording engineer.

I've never been a big bootleg guy into the nuances of night-to-night performances, so I didn't really listen to much of anything else from the taper crowd. For the Hip or for anyone else. I'm a big Rheos fans and love how different their shows are night to night, but I prefer to experience that live and be surprised, not to revisit it later. The never-ending present, and all that.

Dire Wolf asked: "Just curious, was there a particular reason given for why they chose not to participate? Or did they just send you a message saying "nope", and that was it?"

Here's the entire text of my email from Bernie Breen in April 2017, when I told them I'd signed a book contract:

"Hi Michael, We have our own plans for a book and we will not be able to assist nor endorse your project. Best, B."

I decided to write the book anyway. I really wanted this book to exist, whether I wrote it or someone else did.

I certainly didn't expect the band to be gung-ho; it was still an emotionally sensitive time, to say the least, and I get that. I always knew it was likely they would not participate.
As a fan who had never enjoyed ANY official documentation out of the Hip camp until Long Time Running (the FC box set was good, but flawed and the text was poorly edited; John Kendle's liner notes in Hipeponymous are great, though far too brief), I didn't actually trust them to put out a good book.

I decided to do the work: do the research, do the interviews, and then come back to them and let them know I was serious and that this was an important book, and see if they would reconsider and be of any assistance, however small. (There were some key non-Hip interviews I wanted, but could not get.) I met with Bernie and Patrick in September and detailed exactly what the book would look like, because it was never my intention to be sneaky about this, and I know that this is a band with a tightly controlled narrative who does not like to be surprised. Bernie and Patrick were very pleasant and cordial, but restated that the band has decided not to participate, and so they as the managers have to respect that decision. I did as well. I did not approach any members of the Downie family or anyone on the Hip payroll. I knew this would be their story told through the eyes of others: friends, peers, producers, managers, opening acts—eyewitnesses, as well as a few other observers for extra colour.

As you know, Rob has mused about writing his memoirs. That may or may not happen. He's also clearly stated that he's not interested in writing a chronological history of the band, or talking about their influences or their influence on others. Those are all things that interest me. If and when he writes a book--or if someone in the Downie family, or Billy Ray writes a book--it will be very different than mine, and complementary. I wrote the macro book. Someone in the camp will write the micro book. Both are essential parts of the narrative. Personally, I'd love to see a book by Billy Ray with dozens of photos from Richard Beland and David Bastedo. I would be first in line to buy that.

There are more stories here, of course. I'll tell you those in person--maybe--if I see you at a book event somewhere.


Dire Wolf also asked: "Also, when did you first begin the project? Was it just after Gord's diagnosis?"


I started doing those Maclean's articles in July 2016, once the tour was under way. I didn't know what I was going to write for the mag: a history of the band? a contextual piece? It ended up being more of the latter. Before I even started writing it, I posted the Q&As I had been doing: Steve Berlin, Sarah Harmer, Peter Garrett, John K. Samson, etc. People seemed to love those. The Maclean's cover story was very well received. People told me I should write a book. For personal reasons, I didn't really think about it until six months later. In April 2017 I started researching. In August 2017 I started writing. I handed in my first draft on Oct. 31, 2017. Spent a couple of months making it better. Signed off on everything on Feb. 1, 2018. Book came out one year to the day that I signed the contract and started researching (not counting the Maclean's stuff).

Escape @Hand asked: "Just curious as to the most interesting story/issue/random information that you came across while researching the book? Anything surprise you about the band?"


As I said above, hearing those early bootlegs was amazing and revelatory.

Like Moof Milker says (thanks for coming to Lindsay, BTW), the Coke Machine Glow chapter was a favourite of mine. I've always loved that record so much, and I loved hearing the recording details from all the key players (Josh Finlayson was the only one who declined to speak--and did so very graciously, I might add).

I didn't know that much about the 2000s; I always listened to the new records, but didn't pay a lot of attention or follow the band during that time. I only saw them once b/w 2001-15, and that was in 2009. A lot of that information was new to me: including the bit that one fan posted (not here, I think it was Hipfans.com) about Downie admitting that the songs on World Container were going to be a solo record he was to make with Bob Rock, until Baker decided the Hip should do them instead.

I also did an off-the-record interview with someone who worked closely with the band during that decade. I said, "Here's my theory, just as a listener: Downie puts out two solo records in 2001 and '03, and that's also when they switch management. The band seems somewhat adrift and unsure in their musical direction then; for me, personally, those are my two least favourite Hip records. IVL is a softer record that tries to rock but doesn't really, and then the pendulum swings back to rock on IBE, and then it sounds like they're trying too hard [I realize there are thousands of IVL and IBE fans who will fight me.] It sounds like there's a real musical split in the band between different camps on those two records. Then there are two Bob Rock records, which to me seem very Downie-driven: new emphasis on melody and singing, more musically diverse, more pop than even the Berlin period. It doesn't seem like a coincidence that he doesn't put out any solo records during this period. Then almost everybody puts out solo records, and they come back together as a band on Plan A. Am I correct about any of that?"
"That's pretty much it, yeah," said the source, who was in a position to know.

I found that period to be perhaps the most fascinating: once you already are a successful band, how do you maintain that? How do you keep yourself interested? How do you keep your band together? How do you get people excited about your 12th album? Being in my mid-40s, these questions resonated more than if I had written this book as a younger person.
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#8

Michael, great book, as I mentioned here a few weeks ago. As it turns out, I was just selling a friend on your book this evening, a friend who I went to Toronto #3 in 2016 with.

A few questions:

It seemed like the band was starting to break in the States with Trouble at the Henhouse. I remember MTV playing Ahead by a Century. What could have the band or it’s management done to break through completely at that time?

Day for Night has always struck me as their darkest album, in subject matter if not always in sound. Which would you deem their darkest work?

Was there ever any thought to a longer final tour? Did it ever include any US dates? Did it not include the US for insurance reasons?

Thanks, Michael.

Jeff in Buffalo
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#9

Hey Michael -

Don't go away too soon - I'm not yet finished the book Smile

1995-02-10 Toronto; 1996-12-12 Toronto; 1998-07-04 Hamilton; 1999-02-22 Toronto; 2000-06-24 Toronto; 2000-12-06 Ottawa; 2002-08-02 Toronto; 2004-10-23 Ottawa; 2007-01-31 Oshawa; 2007-02-02 Ottawa; 2011-07-01 Toronto; 2012-02-09 Oshawa; 2015-02-19 Toronto; 2015-04-15 Oshawa; 2016-08-18 Ottawa
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#10

Four Pistols asks: "It seemed like the band was starting to break in the States with Trouble at the Henhouse. I remember MTV playing Ahead by a Century. What could have the band or it’s management done to break through completely at that time?"

I don't know that they could have done anything better. So much of breaking the States is luck and timing. What the Hip needed was a national radio hit beyond just a few regional ones, or some crazy gimmicky video that made people pay attention. Or, as is argued in the book, they could have moved there for a year and played the U.S. exclusively. But they didn't want to do that. 1996 was also when three of them had their first kids; there were babies at home. The Hip always wanted to play their own game--and because of their Cdn success, they had the luxury of doing that.

Four Pistols asks: "Day for Night has always struck me as their darkest album, in subject matter if not always in sound. Which would you deem their darkest work?"

It's all pretty dark, lyrically. Downie is not really a sunshine-y guy. That's why I like him.
Musically, yes, of course, DFN and TATH are dark and sludgy.


Four Pistols asks: "Was there ever any thought to a longer final tour? Did it ever include any US dates? Did it not include the US for insurance reasons?"

I've only heard rumours that yes, if things went well, they didn't necessarily consider Kingston the final show. I do know that the message from management to all media outlets was not to refer to it as the final show (which of course many did anyway).
When I was in Buffalo in April, someone told me the Hip had a hold on a venue there for a date in the fall of 2016—after Kingston.


Kieffer asks: "Were there any stories you really wanted to include but couldn't because of a lack of sources or able to verify?"

Yes.
There was also lots of very personal stuff people told me about the band members and their families, which I did not include. I didn't feel it was my business, or yours. I didn't bother verifying that stuff. They never put their families in the spotlight; I respected that decision.
But in case you're wondering, the stuff I'm talking about is just entirely human travails. Nothing criminal, nothing even douchebaggy. Just stuff that every family goes through, that everyone getting old goes through or knows someone who does.

Kieffer asks: "What did you find most frustrating in writing this book?"

I was pretty positive that no one in the band (especially Downie, for incredibly obvious reasons) would talk on the record. That was made clear from the outset.
As I was finishing the book, though, other roadblocks started being thrown my way, which were more than frustrating, right up to the week before it went to the printer.

On an emotional level, the answer is obvious: I didn't know if my principal subject would still be alive when it came out. (To be clear: that's not something I'd define as "frustrating," if I'm answering your question directly.) Many of my interviews that summer ended with both myself and the other person in tears. I wanted the book to be something Downie would be proud of, even though from what I know about him he was never happy with anything anyone else wrote about him. The emotional weight of the whole thing was a challenge, to say the least, and not something I would expect to encounter with any other writing project for the rest of my life.


Kieffer asks: "Were there any topics you wish you could have went deeper into but couldn't due to a lack of information?"

I had a lot of trouble finding out information about Man Machine Poem, because the band did no press for it and nobody who made it was willing to talk on the record. I love that record and really wanted to get deeper into it. But Baker did do an interview with Sirius Radio, and a couple of podcasts that year, and I did get one off-the-record chat (not from the band) about the record.

I also really wanted to talk to Bob Rock about those years. I made repeated requests, but never heard back.
And obviously, I'd have loved to talked to Don Smith--but he died in 2010.

Not being able to interview Breen and Sambrook is also a fault with the book.

Kieffer asks: "Beyond the band, was there anyone you wish you could have spent more time interviewing?"

Of course. Many. Mostly people on the Hip payroll: Breen, Sambrook, Vreeken, Jon Erickson, Dave Powell, Tristin Chipman, Ricky Wellington, Beland, Bastedo, and obviously Billy Ray. But because the Hip was not involved, this was not possible.
I found Davis Manning and heard back from him, which was... weird. In the end he just said, "Ask Bernie, he'll know what to do." So I just left that alone.

Kieffer asks: "Finally, if you were to write a sequel to this book what would you want it to focus on?"

This story is over.
The only thing left, as I said before, is for a book by Baker or Billy Ray or, hopefully, a glimpse at what Downie was writing himself those last two years.
I also think a Jake Gold memoir would be very entertaining.

Schaggs: I'm not going anywhere. Ask away. And if you hated parts of the book, or all of it, feel free to ask about that too.
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#11

I snagged the book and read it the first week out. Wonderful Work Sir! It's clear, the book is a labor of love and well researched.

My question is: It seemed to me 9/11 had an impact on the bands concerts in boarder towns. IMO...the attendance plummeted (at least around my hometown of Detroit/Toledo which used to command very large numbers...pre 9/11. For example The Hip had played The Palace, Cobo (X3) and packed Pine Knob (X4)...And then ended up playing smaller theaters for the rest of their tours here). That event made it basically impossible for Canadian's and Americans (like myself) to cross the boarder at will (without a passport). This had to be very difficult and deflating around the time of IVL/IBE (which seems to be around the most difficult time for them). The band continued to play shows in America but the mass convoy to those boarder concerts ended with the tighter security. Did anyone reference this in interviews or do you have an opinion? I for one was bummed about it (of course I snagged a passport and seen them in Canada several times thereafter).

2nd Question: Any hints on who the peer musician was who wrote the anonymous email In the book? Smile
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#12

I was critical of the book on this forum (though I'll argue not unfairly), but I always assumed you were reading, as any hardcore Hip fans does Wink

barclay Wrote:I wrote the macro book. Someone in the camp will write the micro book. Both are essential parts of the narrative.

I don't disagree with that. I am glad it was written and I'm glad I read it.

barclay Wrote:Personally, I'd love to see a book by Billy Ray with dozens of photos from Richard Beland and David Bastedo. I would be first in line to buy that.

Billy Ray is a prime candidate...think of the stories. But he was so loyal to GD, I'm not sure I'd get the nitty gritty that I want. I don't need stories about divorce and groupies but I would like an objective account of the highs and the lows. I know Rob will give us lots of great detail about the music, but I want the whole truth!

As a huge fan were you disappointed that Rob was openly critical about the factual accuracy...especially his line about "spit out my coffee"?
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#13

SpotTraxx asks about cross-border issues for the band and fans post-911:

That's not something I was aware of. I didn't talk to a lot of fans for the book, and I didn't talk to the band or current management; I didn't think to bring this topic up with Jake Gold. My impression was that the Hip's trajectory in America was always moving up, however incremental. I wasn't aware of any setbacks in the 2000s, but you may well be right. You would certainly know more about this than I would.

SpotTrax also asks: "Any hints on who the peer musician was who wrote the anonymous email In the book?"

That was an email sent to me in confidence from someone who turned down my request for an interview. It was entirely off-the-record. I included it because it was brave enough to say what I've heard a lot of musicians and friends say over the years. It doesn't matter who said it; it summed up a common sentiment, and did so in an amusing way, which is why it's in there—and why I've only ever revealed the identity to my spouse and to mutual friends I have with that person who are their direct musical associates (i.e. members of their band).
I will say that I showed that quote to another mutual friend (not a musician), someone who knows the person in question much better than I do, and said, "Hey, can you tell who might have written this?" They had no idea. That made me feel better about including it.
Needless to say, I find the speculation very amusing—and unnecessary.

Andrew Sharpe asked: "As a huge fan were you disappointed that Rob was openly critical about the factual accuracy...especially his line about 'spit out my coffee?' "

Of course. It was pretty galling, after he refused a fact check. There are a lot of catty things I could say here, but I won't.

I will say that I'm aware of only two factual errors in the book. One is about the release date of a Willie Dunn record—can I assume Baker is a huge Dunn fan? I am, and I'm embarrassed about this and I will correct it in future editions. (Tangent: go listen to the 2016 compilation Native North America, if you haven't already.)

The other is about the timeline of the Slinks' breakup, which is information I got directly from a member of the Slinks: Joe Pater, on his blog. He wrote to me after the book came out saying that another Slink, Steve Holy, sent him a different Slinks timeline; Pater now realizes his original one, which I quoted, is inaccurate.

I can't see Baker losing any coffee about any of those facts, so I honestly don't know to what he's referring. I'd appreciate knowing. If anyone on here is aware of anything factually wrong, I want to know. Someone mentioned something about me misidentifying a bootleg.

A funny thing is that after the book came out, Jake Gold told me Bruce Dickinson's account of the Massey Hall/Horseshoe shows, where he signed the band to MCA, is full of falsehoods and not nearly as dramatic as Dickinson paints it (cancelled flights, etc.). HOWEVER: Jake said, "But I'm glad you printed Bruce's version. It's a much better story." I found that hilarious.
I later told Bruce that Jake disagreed with him, and Bruce stood by his story. Here are two guys as close to the Hip's story as one can possibly be without being in the band, and they don't remember the same events the same way. I'm pretty sure that after 40 years of Willie Nelson and wine that the four surviving members of the Hip would also have different versions of various stories. THIS IS WHAT HISTORY IS. Every university history student takes a first-year course called "Historical Methods," for which the story above would be a textbook case.

FWIW both Jake and Bruce have said very flattering things about the book. As have many other people in the story, including very close friends of Downie. I don't doubt there are some who take issue with some stories, from whom I'm not hearing (yet), but I think that was inevitable.

My guess is that Baker had no idea who I am (I'm certainly not suggesting that he should have) and that he's angry someone he didn't know wrote a book without his permission. Making a statement like that gives him plausible deniability if there's something in the book that makes him look bad. (Which: I don't know, is there? I don't think so.)

Finally: that quickie e-book by Marc Shapiro is, in a word, hideous. It is most definitely "laughably wrong." The fact that it was rushed out after the final tour is nothing but a cash grab, which he basically admits, and the work is beyond sloppy. Knowing that book existed—by an American, no less!—was certainly a kick in the pants for me to write this book. The idea of fans buying that in the absence of anything else was galling. Unfortunately, I think it definitely coloured impressions of what I was doing, for those inside the Hip camp and for a certain group of fans.
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#14

Michael,

First and foremost, thank you for writing The Never-Ending Present. The Hip were long overdue for a proper biography and you were the right man for the job. I’ve had a lot to say about the content of your book, most of which is scattered throughout a thread I started around the time of the book release. I don’t want regurgitate all of my previous comments, criticisms, and questions, but I do want to bring some forward in the hopes that you are willingly to discuss them.

1. You briefly mention that Downie has recorded a concept record about a train derailment with Bob Rock. Can you expand upon this with any further details about the album? Do know who is in charge of shepherding the unreleased Downie solo material?

2. The book is subtitled “The Story of Gord Downie and The Tragically Hip”, for obvious reasons which you point out in the preface. In the past the band has often projected an overly idealistic outward image of a truly democratic band of brothers. Yet I’m wondering if in talking to the band’s musical peers you ever got a sense that at any time in their history (particularly the early to mid 2000’s), this was a façade and that the band were functionally operating as Gord Downie and The Tragically Hip when it came to some of the creative decisions that were made? Do you feel that Downie’s vote carried more weight than others? The two examples from your book that lend credence to this idea are Downie strong-arming the band into going with Bob Rock for producer of World Container and Downie vetoing the “rock” mixes of NFPA.

3. There is a dearth of stories regarding crazy antics or road tales from the band, the type of stories that populate most rock biographies. Was your original intent to write a book that focused more on the music and less on tales of debauchery or did this direction present itself as the best way forward during the writing process? Do you feel the appeal of the book, and hence the commercial prospects, is slightly narrowed due to this?

4. A couple of factual errors I noted in the book: On p. 271 "Grace, Too ended the final encore of August 14, 2016, the second of three Toronto shows." Grace, Too actually closed out the third show. The release date of DFN is also likely incorrect. You can’t be faulted for that since your source was likely the Hip website, which has it listed the same as your book. However, in discussion that took place among some fans on here, it is strongly felt that the album was released on a Saturday, most likely September 24th. This is an archived article from Billboard that supports this claim.

5. Regarding the email from the peer who states “they are mostly terrible”… his (her?) beef also seems to be with the fans (“challenge their shittier fans”); I would have loved to have seen Gord’s response to this “unfocused hate”. You can’t hate fans! I'm less interested in the breaking the anonymity of this person and more interested in exactly why he feels the fans, and the band, to be terrible. Was this ever elaborated upon or are we seeing the email in its entirety in the book?
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#15

6. This one I am going to pretty much cut and paste from something I wrote previously.... I'm very interested in the development of Downie as a songwriter. I personally think he was fully formed by the time of DFN and while he broadened his scope of topics in the years following that, I don't believe he necessarily became a "better" writer. The greatest leap forward is from the EP to UTH but it is difficult to fully analyze this development without knowing exactly which songs he wrote on UTH. Also, by way of knowing which songs Downie didn't write, we can also assess the progression of Gord Sinclair as a writer. I believe it was you (in Have Not Been the Same) that first pointed out that "She Didn't Know" and "When the Weight Comes Down" were written by Paul Langlois. In your current book, when discussing the decision to credit all songs to The Hip, you state "This was a lot to swallow for Gord Sinclair, who had written two-thirds of the songs at that point, both music and lyrics." I would like to challenge you on that "two-thirds" comment and hope that you can clarify. There were 19 released songs at that point:

1. Smalltown - Sinclair
2. Last AE - Sinclair
3. Killing Time- Downie
4. Evelyn - Sinclair
5. Sideroad - Sinclair
6. Werewolf - Downie
7. Highway Girl - Downie
8. All-Canadian - Sinclair
9. Blow - Downie
10. I'll Believe ?
11. NOIS - Downie
12. 38 Years Old - Downie
13. She Didn't Know - Langlois
14. Boots ?
15. Everytime ?
16. Weight - Langlois
17. Trickle - Downie
18. Midnight ?
19. Opiated - Downie

We know that Sinclair wrote 5 on the EP, meaning that 7-8 were his songs on UTH if we are to take the "2/3" comment at face-value. This doesn't work out. Even if we credit him for "I'll Believe", "Boots", "Everytime", and "Another Midnight", that gives him 9/19, less than 50%. Do you have any further insight on UTH lyrics authorship?
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